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Nov 26, 2012 12:00am PST
rule of law and the rights of man, a charter expanded by the blood of generations. those ideals still light the world. chris: does he have abinterest -- in "the new york times" piece that you wrote, you suggest or actually report he doesn't really have the profound interest in the earliest part of our history. >> the interest we see is more contemporary. now, he's a constitutional law professor, so we have to have some interest in the founding fathers, but the country has changed so vastly and his favorite president is lincoln, who's kinds of the hinge to the more modern era that he's more interested in. chris: he likes to hold them accountable. >> that's how his current history obsession started. when he was in the senate, he had just gotten to the senate. he had read team rivals, wanted to have a private meeting with doris. sits down with her, they talk about the book in detail and he talks about his desire to be like lincoln. he said he was draung to lincoln obviously, the writer quality being from illinois, etc., et cetera, but he said -- he talked about wanting to be presid
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